Shelved by: fuck_yeah_rage on 2011-11-19
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too bad it doesn't really
yes it does O.o
I don't think it does, but it sure is helpful.
Check your sources before you spread such misinformation.
I did! Perhaps you should do the same!
Apparently not well enough. The posts after this explain the reality of your side of the argument. So, no it does not kill cancerous cells nor does it stop their growth. It's just a supplemental drug to deal with some of the discomfort. I really couldn't give a crap who smokes it for what purpose, just make sure you have a solid argument before you (the poster of this image) make yourself look like another pot head looking for any half-baked (pun intended) argument for pot's legalization.
You're just wrong. Not sure what else to say, other than: take your own advice. "Check your sources before you spread such misinformation."
Your stupid. its been proven it helps cancer.
pot does not cure cancer but it makes it less painful
It never said it "cures" cancer. Just that it fights it. It helps with the nausea from chemo. And the loss of appetite from chemo. Same goes for many other diseases.
It also has some anti-tumor qualities.
But it also produces carcinogens. Not as much as NODCP would like you to agree, but that just happens when you inhale smoke like it counts as air.
any carcinogens produced if any would probably be negligible at best.
That's not true at all. It's worse than both pure tobacco and filtered cigarettes for the carcinogens.
That statement is false. Check your facts.
That's just in 3 minutes of searching. Note these are scientific publications and not committed to either side of the issue. Now what?
Watch out , we got a badass over here.
NIH tends to publish just about anything - it's one of the most whorey aggregators I've found.
Besides, what's the beef about death? When it's your time, it's your time. Enjoy life up until that point, and, if you enjoy doing drugs or anything else, make sure no one gets hurt, and quit making excuses.
All three of those are inconclusive and only suggest inhibition of further growth and migration not reduction of the tumor.
not to necro too much(which is why this is a new post), but as ylide said/proved above, canabis does inhibit cancer cell growth. Also smoking it isnt the only way of getting it into your system(duuuhh?), though if you're on chemo eating it might not be very effective(it helps against nausea but you'd have to ingest it for it to work; kind of a catch 22).
EDIT: Also since I'm in a generous mood, almost all of the negative health risks associated with cannabis are related to smoking, its more dangerous(per cigarrette/joint) then cigarettes because they have filters and tobacco companies have probably used their conciderable wealth to make it somewhat safer(pure conjecture, never mind this).
Cannabis itself has not been proven to be detrimental to your health in any way. (if you're an adult, its like alcohol; bad for kids because brain)
alcohol and nicotine(not the smoke) on the other hand DO have health risks associated with them. They are also more addictive and overal more dangerous drugs than cannabis.
Caffeine(not gonna look it up) probably carries more health risks if used in large amounts(your poor heart) but is probably less addictive; physical dependancy can be cured by not ingesting it for about a week, mental dependancy fairly non existant. Cannabis most likely has a greater mental dependancy when used in large quantities because it has greater effects.
chart and more chart (edit2: fuck yea, got caffeine right)
If you want to decrease your risk of cancer, eat onions.
I'm serious. Countries with a high volume of onion in their diets have less cases of cancer than those that don't.
It also has the added bonus of no bad side effects. "Cannabis itself has not been proven to be detrimental to your health in any way" is a false statement. There may not be any long term damage (false, btw, it's can cause severe paranoia from overuse), there is short-term damage. Smoking a joint then driving is just as dangerous, if not more so, than drinking a pint then driving. I'll also say cannabis is more addictive than alcohol, but I'm unsure about tobacco.
Anything where you inhale smoke can cause long term damage to your lungs. Onions are safer. Eat onions instead to help stop cancer.
There are also other ways to overcome the nausea.
However, I think at that stage of cancer, the health risks of cannabis aren't going to matter all that much.
back from vacation necro power: on.
"It also has the added bonus of no bad side effects. "Cannabis itself has not been proven to be detrimental to your health in any way" is a false statement. There may not be any long term damage (false, btw, it's can cause severe paranoia from overuse), there is short-term damage. Smoking a joint then driving is just as dangerous, if not more so, than drinking a pint then driving. I'll also say cannabis is more addictive than alcohol, but I'm unsure about tobacco."
alcohol is more addictive than cannabis, there is no discussion. you can only get addicted to the feeling it gives you not the substance itself, you can get physically addicted to alcohol and to the feeling it gives you (the same applies to nicotine/smoking so there). I never advocated driving while high, but to be specific; it is slightly less dangerous than drunk driving because it tends to make people more carefull as opposed to alcohol which makes people overconfident(still, dont ever do it, unless you want to die fiery death in a cage of twisted metal).
"(if you're an adult, its like alcohol; bad for kids because brain)" to elaborate; cannabis can permanently worsen preexisting mental conditions(most notably Schizophrenia, dont touch it(cannabis) if you have the potential for it(Schizophrenia), especially when young)/cause depressions(especially when young)/permanent memory problems when used intensively while young(also applies to those who use it very intensively for a long period of time(>10 years)). all the other side effects are temporary and should stop if the user stops using, most of these side effects only happen when its used intensively(not sure what this means actually, but lets say more then 1-2/week).
nixie: "Anything where you inhale smoke can cause long term damage to your lungs."
me: "almost all of the negative health risks associated with cannabis are related to smoking,"
PS: with Cannabis itself has not been proven to be detrimental to your health in any way I meant THC as a substance not the smoking of it. And direct health risks like high blood pressure and such(nicotine and alcohol have alot of those, including higher cancer rates(alcohol)). But your points were valid and I didnt elaborate at all so, me writing this is pretty bitchy. sorry.
PPS: about the driving, the thing is, I think, that cannabis happens alot faster than alcohol. going from 0 to black out drunk takes alot more effort than going from 0 to stoned out of your mind. But if people are "equally" disabled by alcohol/cannabis people using cannabis would/should be slightly safer.
EDIT: And finally, awesome about the onions, didnt know that! :D
Mine was purely on a "EAT ONIONS!" thing. Onions are awesome.
Garlic feels left out.
Regarding the addictiveness I'd definitely say, chemically speaking at least, Nicotine>alcohol>caffeine>THC. Although I'd argue that psychologically THC is more addicting than caffeine and even alcohol in some cases.
Most of the more obvious medical side effects do come across through the smoking, but like you said it'd be hard to get it in your system any other way if your looking for nausea relief. The good thing about this is that besides your skin your lungs are the fastest healing organs in your body with your liver as a close third which is why many of these side effects are not long term. That being said heavy use would be hard to heal from and the carcinogens never really go away since they're absorbed into you fat cells.
Cannabis however can be extremely harmful to your mental health in the long run. Like you said the groups most vulnerable to this are those with still developing central nervous systems (which finishes between the ages of about 25 and 27 btw) and those with preexisting conditions like depression and schizophrenia. The bad part about this is that most people with these diseases can go undiagnosed for a larger part of their lifetime, which means you could easily be in this group and not realize it.
Lastly there are existing drugs that do better at treating nausea and pain that cannabis is usually considered an option for treatment of. There are also plenty of preventative measures against different cancers that exist.
P.S. Those two charts look extremely dubious as to their accuracy. The first because the classification seem odd since cannabis should be grouped with the other hallucinogens and narcotic is too politically charged and inadequate a term(alcohol is also a narcotic technically, opioid would be more accurate) the second only because it's so vague and has a misleading scaling.
I agree on paragraph 1-3 though the age thing isn't very confirmed, heavy use before 16 is, heavy use for 10~ years straight is also confirmed to my knowledge. I don't know anything about young adults and the stuff, though I wouldn't be surprised if it has effects, I doubt they're as drastic as with actual kids/<18s(to give an arbitrary number).
about the other drugs that sounds about right, but other alternatives shouldn't rule it out as an option. And I was mostly clarifying stuff.
As for the charts, I just pulled them off Wikipedia because I liked adding pictures.
Cannabis is barely a hallucinogen, but since the graph attaches the other big ones like alcohol/nicotine to their 'family' I guess that it is a mistake on their part. As for the second one it was fairly comparable to information about the drugs it includes so I figured why not.
Fair enough. I can agree with that.
jaay for agreement!
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