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Legal Pharmaceuticals that were abused, doesn't discredit the proper usage and the way it helps people.
Alcohol is just awesome.
Once again, abusing pharmaceuticals is not a relevant argument against them. Whitney Houston was a crackhead, and crack is most certainly not legal.
Pot, I don't personally have a problem with. But for the sake of this post, none of the points make any sense in comparison except maybe alcohol.
You beats me to it! Have a cookie.
As a counterpoint to your argument, abuse of legal pharmaceuticals and legal alcohol will kill you. Abuse of illegal marijuana will not kill you, unless you smoke so much that the smoke itself asphyxiates you.
I wasn't arguing in any way against Pot. I was pointing out the flaws in the logic of the argument. As I also pointed out that in my opinion, the only thing comparable to pots situation is alcohol. I think it should be legal.
Also, it might not kill you, but don't tell me you're one of those people who denies that pot changes you in any way.
The post also fails to acknowledge that Amy Winehouse's system was incredibly compromised because of the build up of THC in her system. Cheech and Chong actually do practice moderation and have years of tolerance built up, whereas her THC levels in her skin combined with alcohol and prescriptions literally started to make her face fall off.
I was just saying that you correctly pointed out the flaw in the logic of the OP, but your logic isn't perfect either, since abuse of marijuana is still quite a bit "safer" than that of the otherwise legal substances.
Weed obviously changes you, but I think most of the time it just amplifies parts of your personality. I didn't touch the stuff until I was 25 when I had a stable job, had just bought a house, and knew what I needed to get done in a day to provide for myself (and eventual family.) If you are a lazy sack of shit when you smoke all the time, I'm pretty sure you'd be a lazy sack of shit if you were sober, too.
In what way is weed safer? There is all of about zero facts that say it is safe. In fact the more and more it is researched, the less and less the medical community is willing to distribute the class a drug (Which has been found to lead to schizophrenia).
In the sense that it has been directly linked to 0 deaths. There are the inherent risks associated with putting burning material into your lungs, but there are other ways to ingest than smoke.
Drugs are risky. Period.
However, some drugs can be shown to objectively carry more risk than others. sbizzle isn't saying it is 100% safe, he is saying it is relatively safe compared to other drugs on the market.
Any kind of drugs, which is why you should know the risks before using any of them. this includes (il)legal drugs, perscription/consumer pharmacuticals, alcohol, nicotine/smoking and I suppose even caffeine.
caffeine is kind of the exeption since its only real health risks is overdose, which is rather hard to do. In the potheads defence; THC, the active component in marijuana is ten times less toxic than caffeine. whilst alcohol is ten times as toxic.
PS: the smoke inhaled with smoking pot is probably more toxic, but I have no clue how that relates to ODing on pot(asside from literally choking on the smoke).
Caffeine overdose is a real possibility with certain products. I know there is one product on the market right now where if you ingest the entire product it has a good chance of killing you (found it, here).
I would argue that for a lot of people the threat from legal pharmaceuticals is much greater than that of illegal drugs, because with illegal drugs people know what they are getting themselves into. Where as with pharmaceuticals, people assume it's safe because it came from a doctor (many suggest this is what killed Elvis).
That is also true, but in theory atleast the legal ones come with some kind of manual/list of sideeffects. With illegal drugs most of what people know can be hearsay, which may not be entirely accurate.
EDIT: also if its perscribed your doctor should tell you how much to take, what it does and why.
You have a lot of faith in the medical system.
You should always research any medicine online before you take it. There are generally a whole slew of side effects that didn't get caught in FDA trials. Especially mental ones since those are harder to objectively define with a smaller, trial, group.
I know this from experience. My dad was put on some medicine that was supposed to lower his cholesterol or something after he had heart surgery. Well it made him basically go insane. I'm talking full out hallucinations and extreme confusion, etc for the week or so he was on it. None of these were "official side effects." Luckily, my mom's sister is a nurse and she told my mom to do a bit of research online, apparently tons of other people are getting the exact same sides from this drug my dad got. So of course my mom immediately took him off the drug (it wasn't a life or death type drug, it was just one that would technically make him a bit healthier) and all these absolutely terrible side effects vanished and my dad was completely back to his old self again. These terrible side effects are not listed because they missed them in the FDA trials, and it's a long road to get them officially listed because the drug companies will fight you tooth and nail to keep them off their packages since obviously they won't sell as much of the drug if the true side effects are listed.
With the information we have at our fingertips online, you have no excuse to not protect yourself (and your family) when possible from this. Additionally, doctors will only know the official side effects from the majority of drugs because they have to know so much about so many drugs they can't be bothered to remember (or even learn) anything that isn't official.
ouch, maybe we're a bit more lucky here in the netherlands terms of legal drugs wise. Since I've never heard about anything like that. Or maybe I dont know enough people taking perscription drugs..
That said I think doctors here perscribe slightly less drugs here so maybe that helps.
Oh good god, I thought you were in the US.
Yeah our healthcare situation is pretty much based on "throw as many drugs at the problem as possible to correct it." Then prescribe more drugs to counter the side effects created by the drugs prescribed.
read my posts above and below this one. Also has more information on the schizophrenia thing.
Most of its effects are not permanent and will return to normal in around one month of not using. The only permanent risks associated with pot use happen when used intensively as a minor(much in the same way alcohol works, messes with the development of the brain etc), psychosis in people (genetically) predisposed for Schizophrenia(again, moreso in minors) and finally memory problems due using it intensively(>1 joint/day) for long periods(>10 years) of time or people who start very young (<16 years).
So, if noone in your familly has been diagnosed with schizophrenia and you're an adult. There should be no problem in using it casually.
edit: I'll add source since I meant this mostly to inform. Source is Jellinek; the dutch staterun rehab clinic/addiction information thing. I'm pretty certain they're on top of their stuff with this, they cite studies for most of these. Ask and I'll post em.
I see the connection in the post. It's making the argument that there are plenty of legal pharmaceuticals that are significantly more dangerous than marijuana, so that should not be a reason to keep marijuana's medical use illegal. Of course in this scenario one must be touting marijuana's uses medically, or else you are comparing apples to oranges (medical drugs and recreational drugs).
Of course then there's the alcohol part of the equation, which is a better example for why marijuana should be legal for use as a recreational drug.
The post explains these ideas in a simple, though maybe a bit crude, manner.
Well, yeah I didn't see anything about medical marijuana. And I agree alcohol is a good example. I mentioned that I agree with that. Recreational drugs are fine in my opinion. I don't believe in limiting what people can do to/for themselves.
"I didn't see anything about medical marijuana."
The post is a bit, half baked, but I guess I was just inferring that ;-)
Okay, I'll admit it. I just wanted an excuse to use that pun.
I agree, provided the people are educated towards it. Not educating people about the risks of things means that a number of them wont do it, another group will do it anyway without knowing what they're doing. Meaning that that more of that group will get in trouble because of it.
In some(I personally think most) cases this means the net amount of people that get in trouble is larger even though there are less people trying it.
Can't I just once post something simple and funny without starting a controversy?
Where is the fun in that?!
Legalization will just create huge prices. Weed is sooooo easy to get and use without being caught by the law...legalization is stupid.
Except for people that have jobs that do random drug screening. And the whole going to jail for the way to many people that do get caught.
Are you kidding? You don't know how the market works my friend. Legalization of pot will make marijuana prices plummet.
Look up the cost of Alcohol during prohibition, it rose dramatically, then dropped dramatically after alcohol was legalized again.
You're right about that, but why do the dispensaries here in California charge so much for those who have a medical Rx, which is all legal? It's cheaper for me on the black market and my company doesn't test us, btw.
Dispensaries actually have to charge high prices because it is illegal. They are at a high risk selling a product completely out in the open that the federal government does not allow (and the DEA actively cracks down on). They need to get a high price to justify that risk. Additionally, people are willing to pay more to buy from dispensaries because they are cleaner and safer than buying on the street, and people will pay for that convenience, which also drives up the market price.
However, if it was legal, you would have all the big tobacco companies swoop down and immediately start producing and selling marijuana products. Imagine how cheap it would be without the threat of legal action (which drives up prices) in addition the the economy of scale big business brings. Marijuana would most likely be priced a little bit higher than tobacco (depending on market forces), or maybe even the same price, if legal. Imagine buying a pack of joints for $7-$10.
The way the dispensaries could stay in business, would be to provide high end "craft" strains that people are willing to pay more for. Similar to craft beer vs Miller Lite.
How awesome would that be!
this escalated quickly ;)
Good commenting though.
For those who support the use of pharmaceutical drugs, and other "government-supported" "health" "therapies", have a gander at "Doctored The Movie", a 2013 production. This kind of shit's been going on for decades.