Shelved by: Xman242 on 2012-07-21 | Source
I know it's not funny, but it's a nice senitment.
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The guy taht did the shooting is fucking sick, need's to be dragged, beat , castrated and sent to the moon with no space suit. But on the Christian bale dressing as batman thing, I'm all for it. but i don't know how he would react to one of them asking why batman did not come and save them. :/
Or we can act like this is the 21st century. Instead of killing and torturing him, how about we do the responsible thing and get him therapy?
The Death Penalty -- killing people for killing people because killing people is wrong.
With guns? Death Penalty by firing squad (or similar shooting apparatus) seems appropriate here for a death penalty sentencing.
Also your name is almost fitting to the topic.
Is the justice system about justice or revenge?
Depends on who you're asking the question to. And thats not necessarily revenge so to speak. Its giving him a taste of his own medicine, and then killing him of course.
Again -- it's wrong for him to have killed people, but why isn't it wrong for us to kill him?
Or... we could let some people live for a change?
No man should be killed by other men. If "justice" involves death, then something is awry. If we kill him, we're no better than he is, just killers. And "giving him a taste of his own medicine" sounds an awful lot like revenge to me.
Emotions shouldn't control someone's fate.
I'd say the worst option for him is life in prison, although they should probably isolate him from the other inmates to prevent him from being killed in there.
I guess you're also "praying" for him. Sorry, but i see no reason why a person like that should be allowed to live on this world. If one take's a life, then his should be taken as well. A twelve year old child, will never be able to grow up and live life. An 18 monh old baby will be scarred the rest of it's life, but no don't judge the man no, that would be wrong. Let's instead stick him in a looney bin, suck more money out on tax's to keep him alive and fed. Instead of just sticking him with a needle and being done with it.
I agree on some points, with the exception of the aggression I feel. However, death row is a long wait. I'd rather not waste the money I waste on them just to kill them.
I'm thinking I'm mostly with this^. Space Weasel is right that death row or LIFE in prison for any human being is wrong. I would chose death over a lifetime of captivity any day. Just look at circus and zoo animals. Their entire existance is suffering without hope. Why would an imprisoned human feel any different? I thing the most Humane thing would be offering a choice. If a person is truly beyond rehabilitation, or a rapist or child molester (and I don't think ANYONE SHOULD BE FOOTING THE BILL TO HOUSE AND FEED THEM), and has no hope of freedom, then there should be the option to terminate their life immediately, or at whatever moment they deem that life no longer has any point. Of course, at that point it becomes assisted suicide, and if you say those two words together the entire nation would be up against it.
However, I do not believe in using their death as a means or manner of revenge. Cut their balls out and shove them down their throats while their victim burns them with a hot poker, and then kill him? I chose to believe we are a greater society than to do that.
I don't agree with all of the zoo/circus bits. IF you live in one setting your whole life, and never learn about the other, you aren't missing anything, and think what you have is normal. Some facilities don't take great care of their animals, but lots of zoos have happy/content animals.
I think what would be better, is putting inmates to work. Some form of organized labor so they aren't sitting there wasting my money. IT would give them skills for when they leave, and keep them productive for society. I have mixed feelings on the wait for a death penalty, since an innocent person can be killed by it. It gives time for appeals and whatnot, that could save an innocent's life.
I know there is tons of infrastructure in the States that is horribly out of date, our power grid for one, and lets be honest, not cost efficient to have companies pay employees to work them. I'm not saying have them do all the work, because you do NEED trained professionals for a lot of stuff. But the basic manual labor could be done by them, or they could be taught how to do some of the higher end stuff through a tradeschool-type program.
A lot of gray area for sure though, and, unfortunately, a lot of opposition to every side.
The 'put them to work' is the argument behind privatized prisons. Corporations have captive labor force that makes them millions, very little of which is invested in the quality or needs of the actual prisons. If it could be done ethically, then of course that's the best solution, but the kind of people who seek positions such as jail warden, aren't the world's greatest humanitarians. Power of the lives of men who one judges as 'wrongdoers' or 'evil' is a very ugly thing. The same goes for the guards. Even the nicest guy turns mean in that position.
Also, giving mainstream jobs to inmates on the contract system would drastically affect the labor force living in that community, which, if it's in the US, is suffering. Unless it was generating new work.
But we're still friends?
Yar, we be friends. Idk who would be best to run the facilities. Corporations suck, and so does the government at these things. The government would be the most easily regulated, and the profits could "go towards our debt," but neither would actually be a good solution.
If being mentally ill directly lead to his actions, which it likely did, and you want to kill him for his actions, then you want to kill him for being ill.
"If one take's a life, then his should be taken as well."
This man had no mental issues, he was on his way to becoming a neurosurgeon. The man is just a sick freak. You can defend him all you like, be it mental issues, god, or morals. but when a man kill's children by blowing there head off with a shotgun i am sorry, but he deserves the same.
They say he was on vicoden... sooo.. drugs.. not mental illness. People need to stop with the lame ass excuses and fess up to their shit.
Vicoden... pshh. I've been on that before when I had my wisdom teeth out. That shit doesn't make you rampage, it makes you fall asleep.
I can tell I'll not be able to get much from you other than an emotional response. However, before I leave you to marinade in your anger, I will give you these words:
"An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind." -- Ghandi
"Fear leads to hate, hate leads to anger, anger leads to suffering." -- Yoda
an eye for a eye does not make you blind it gives you a wicked awesome pirate patch
This may be true, but when everyone only has one view (only one eye) on things, they lack perspective. Which makes them blind. That's my take on it.
It is the 21st century and in many criminal cases therapy is a great thing that many criminals need. However I believe that there are some people who are so sick in the head that they will do everything in their power to hurt other people, including fooling therapists. It can be done I have done it, not for murder but for addiction. Even after he is rehabilitated is he going to be safe to let back into society? No! he will go through therapy so that he can live for the rest of his life in prison. Also how much is it going to cost in tax payer money to rehabilitate him and then keep him in maximum security? how do you think the families of the victims will feel knowing that their taxes are going to keep alive people who they view as a monstrous villain far more evil than any comic character.
Frankly, I don't give a SHIT how bad the family wants to murder him. I don't CARE that people are going to have to provide money for this. If someone is sick, then they're sick. It's simply fucking barbaric to kill someone for being mentally ill, especially if they cannot recover.
How about if your Mom/spouse/child was one of the dead? Wouldn't that make a difference?
If we drown ourselves in emotion, we'll never be able to see or address the situation calmly.
No one says he was mentally ill, and say if a guy kills a family, gets arrested and pleads insanity, the judge accepts his plea and he goes into therapy, he goes through therapy and his therapist stops seeing him, believing he has dealt with his issues. A few years later the man starts to forget how to deal with the things that made him want to kill people and then goes and does it again. The only way to stop him harming people again would be to kill him, because even in prison he could harm people.
"Why do people kill people who kill people to show that killing people is wrong?" Death penalty- that'll learn 'em
Yo dawg, we heard you like killing....
i heard this guy was on 9gag,and he posted an image saying he was going to kill everyone in the theater for the army, or some shit like that. <.
That's just 4chan trolling. They made fake screenshots showing it all but it never actually happened.
ah, pretty sure it was a ruse, but i just needed some conformation on it :D
I don't think they ever want to see a batman again.
Well damn, I didn't know my first post was going to make it this high or cause this much of a shitstorm.
That young man is ill. That he is ill is no excuse for his actions. He planned this massacre. He rigged explosives at his apartment to detonate before he began his attack at the cinema. He did this in order to divert emergency responders from the attack on the cinema. His action were premeditated and calculated to do the most harm in the most effective manner. He deserves nothing more, nor less than anyone else charged with the same crimes. When a person kills to avenge the murder of a loved one it is called revenge. When a society, through legal due process, determines that a person's actions deems them unfit and dangerous to that society it is the right of society to punish that person in such a way that that person will never be able to harm that society again. There is only one way to make sure that person will not repeat his or her actions.
I'm just curious, but why were there so many young children at a midnight screening of Batman? Yes, it's a 12A/PG13 (UK/US) but there were some really young children there, that would not have understood the storyline anyway, and it is a very violent film. I can't understand why anyone under the age of 10 (at a pinch I'd say that was alright) was there, and even then to a midnight screening of it.
Doesn't cut it, I'm afraid. Still doesn't make sense for someone who wouldn't understand or really enjoy it to attend it...
Plus, kiddies should be in bed.
You don't really remember films at that age, it would be a waste of money.
actually i remembered space jam when i was a kid, i really remembering covering my ears saying "WHY IS IT SO LOUD!" xD
Yeah, but Space Jam doesn't have that complex of a storyline. It's a U.
It's what makes films like Ice Age so successful for family viewing. The kiddies love it and there are jokes in there for the older and the adults.
Yes, I'm gonna go see Ice Age 4. Without a child.
yea good point x3 i just wanted to share my cute story with everyone XD
Space Jam is a pretty awesome film.
Guess they couldn't get a sitter, or didn't feel like getting one. When I worked at the theater some people would bring their kids to any movie even at the latest times. I figured that was the reason
It's odd. I've never seen parents take in their young children - I've seen older brothers do it though.
And I live in the sort of area where parents would take their children in to see the really late shows and films I would rate higher than 12A.
some men just want to watch the world burn...
I live just minutes from that theater. I'd like to thank everyone for supporting my community.
i thought you're supposed to post funny stuff on this site...
that might scare them more than help... i know if i was there batman would scare me forever more