Why the friendzone is bullshit

But girls did kill chivalry so..

I wouldn't say so. I think both genders are responsible for the lack of chivalry.

I stand by lack - There are plenty of men who are chivalrous, you just need to know where to find them. And I find men are more likely to be chivalrous if women act more lady-like, or be kind to them.

It's sad when I hold a door for a woman and they don't say "thank you". Most do, but still- it happens a lot.

That's common courtesy. I get miffed if I've held the door open for anyone and they've not said "thank you". Worse, is when they sweep through with their noses in the air like they're the Queen. Then I'm like "I'm not your damn manservant, woman." (cause it's always the girls that don't thank you, in my experience).

Implying that "chivalry" is a good thing. No one wants chivalry. In chivalry, a man was nice to a woman, but it was an offense to engage romantically with the object of his affection. (That's the satire in the Legend of King Arthur. Camelot fell because Lancelot slept with Guinevere [spelling?]) Then the man was a dick to everyone else. Romance and Chivalry should never be confused. Guys bitch about chivalry being dead so that they have an excuse when their advances don't work out. Chances are, those men are friendzoned because they play it too close to the vest and act too friendly and too committed too quickly.

There are aspects of of chivalry that are good and aspects that are bad. The bits I'm talking about are the pulling the chair out, opening the door, "ladies first", offering the arm etc. They're kinda sweet, if you're not expecting them, and make you feel kind of special.

Romance is what I'd use for flowers, chocolate, serenading, sweet words etc.

Yeah, you have to use a different method to trying to "pick up a chick" than the friendship way. If you're really nice, and don't drop a hint you want a relationship, it's going to result in the girl thinking of them as a friend - and all through growing up, you're always warned NOT to go out with friends as it could ruin the relationship completely.

It's a common misconception that knights ever pulled out chairs or did the sort in the chivalric system. They weren't actually allowed that much contact. At most, the knight would keep a hanky of the woman's and devote all of his jousting bouts to her. (I assume there was much masturbation later.) Chivalry had nothing to do with romance, for even married men channeled their chivalry through a woman that was not their spouse. Chivalry was a combination of a socio-economic caste system and a technique for channeling sexual frustration.

I was very disappointed when I found out knights weren't actually gentlemen, which is the only reason I remember all of this.

pats There there.

No, knights were utter dicks lol

I guess it's reassuring knowing I am more gallant than a knight. XD

dave chappelle reference?

I get why guys rant about it when they've been lovely to a girl, the girl then goes out with a bullshitter bastard and SURPRISE! he breaks her heart so she goes sobs on the guy's shoulder!

(TO GUYS! sometimes girls are stupid and need you to tell them that you like them)

To girls, guys are often stupid and don't read minds, send a real hint!

Not so good at the guessing game..

I get the implication you read minds?

To guys, most girls that don't want to play games do. Sometimes, a girl is too embarrassed to.

And anyway, we're not the ones who bitch about being friendzoned

Because there's no such thing as female friendzone

Plenty of girls get stuck into the friendzone, it's just we don't bitch about it. We mope about for a couple of days, then pull ourselves together, brush ourselves off and get on with our lives.

well fuck sometimes i bitch, because i feel like im the only girl who does O_O fucking 17 and i haven't even kissed a guy, and it isn't intentional >.< EDIT: I had a guy friend a while back and we talked to each other every day, i was so in love with him it isn't even funny, three whole years of me talking to him about his relationships and such. About what he should get her or what he should do on the year anniversary. he asked for advice and we had our inside jokes. and we had so much fun together. he was going out with a girl who was a lot like me, in certain ways. but she was so popular and everyone loved her. Though out my childhood, i knew this girl, we actually used to be best friends. but i felt like a clone of hers that she would just pawn. so i left the situation and made it to the goth crowd. She always got what i wanted, friends classes, items and even guys. on multiple occasions she ended up dating a guy i fancyed. so i got over it and moved on. but this time around i really loved him. i wouldnt let him go. we really were good together. and understood each other. But he always told me all the time how in love he was with her and how much he wanted to be with her always. I felt happy for him. I really did, and i tried to just stay friends with him, because that seemed to be what he wanted. And i could have dealed with that. but when little miss girl cheated on him, he was broken. he broke down in front of me when i had to comfort him. He really felt like she was the one. and not me. i couldn't tell him i really liked him then. It would have been wrong and selfish. i needed to help him. so i held it back for a couple of months.

on the last day of school i bring a huge bag of pixie sticks *his favorite candy, and a hard find during may * and wrote on a post it note,

"will you go out with me?"

i walked inside so proud of myself, knowing i was actually going to do it. no matter what. i was tied of being that girl. I was tired of being the comforter. and i felt like i knew we could work.

i walked into my first class i usually had with him and he wasn't there. that one desk was empty, and i felt the same way. i knew something was wrong. My friends were so proud of me and so happy that i was going to do it. but they ran up to me and said he moved. The one person i felt like i could rely on left. he didn't tell anyone, not even me. that tore me up inside. that was definitely the worst feeling in the world. and we couldn't contact each other, it was like he disconnected me from his life. and i feel this pain deep inside me whenever i remind myself of that day. that i cant get rid of now. so don't any of you dare say girls don't get turned down. of left out there to dry. cause i definitely did. a lot worse than a lot of you.

sorry i got so emotional but that was a very dark moment in my life. and i don't know why but, i felt like sharing it.

yea, if the guy is ugly, he'll take any girl.. attractive guys friendzone girls ALL the time.

no. attractive guys will pretend to friendzone girls all the time, really just waiting for the right time to get in their pants(usually involving drugs/alcohol).

yea, thats pure BS.

True story: recently had an ice-cream session with a girl this happened to. She felt so used, cause he completely stopped all contact with her. And felt like the world's biggest idiot and that she was stupid and such.

Even though there are douchebags that can put cardboard chips in and get all the sex he wants....